"Alex Murel" (alexandermurel)
09/05/2013 at 12:22 • Filed to: Asshats
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"Alex Murel" (alexandermurel)
09/05/2013 at 12:22 • Filed to: Asshats | 2
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I had to watch this in my Sociology of Deviance class and it made me pretty mad. I understand what their experiment is, but their idiots for taking this approach to it. Their self righteous state of mind doesn't help much either.
Casper
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 12:28 |
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They are violating other laws by obeying the speed limit in the first place. Yes, they have a point about the absurdity of speed limits (which is a whole separate issue) but they broke a lot of laws for the sake of the demonstration. I wonder why a police chief isn't on the web declaring them a public enemy and hunting them down?
ZeroOrDie - Powered By MZR
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 12:30 |
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They are just in the way. I agree this is dumb. Dont know what year it was done but like. Just simulate it online. Dont get out there and get shot by someone. Also people seem to be doing just fine behind them. I get the point of this but it is still pointless.
RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 12:30 |
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A speed limit chosen wisely for a situation, enforced with a light touch but universally, subject to no arbitration under whim of authority figures, non-draconian, subject to fact and fact only (no reduction/increase making "fact" malleable), not intended to function as a primary source of revenue, and not out of order with related and nearby limits is the only kind of limit which does not by its nature promote some level of flouting.
Most speed limits are precisely *none* of the above.
gomerkyle9
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 12:32 |
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"We were obeying the law."
Do they not understand the concept of a passing lane?
McMike
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 12:36 |
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I remember a few years ago reading that Colorado was trying out rolling road blocks on I-70. Their thought was to collect data to see if traffic as a whole moved faster between the ski resorts and Denver.
My father-in-law was stuck in one of them on his way down to Denver during the tests, and told us he thought he made better time.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/08/13/rol…
ttyymmnn
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 12:36 |
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Arrogant and dangerous.
Milky
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 12:37 |
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I want to reply with this on every comment on the whole Afroduck incident with "OMG don't ever speed, its so reckless".
For Sweden
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
09/05/2013 at 12:38 |
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Some states, such as Montana, get the "enforced with a light touch" bit right.
<10 mph over the limit: $20 fine, no points, and no mark on the driver's record. They will get that $20 out of you, however. MHP is very vigilant.
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Casper
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
09/05/2013 at 12:38 |
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The problem with speed limits is in concept they are intended to be suggestions, but have morphed into something strange and awful. When they were initially created the idea was that an average speed would be established and police would use experience and training to SELECT who was behaving in a dangerous manner. That went out the window as soon as local governments figured out they could exploit the speed limits to generate revenue.
Most people forget that the speed limits for highways and rural roads have never been established by safety guidelines. They were established during the oil crisis and simply adjusted by votes or random acts of legislature since. It is a very rare occurrence when a DOT engineer actually is brought in to evaluate a stretch of road and has authority to change the speed limit. Generally it's just a standard formula.
maximillious
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 12:40 |
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First off, this was a poorly documented and explained hypothesis. It was basically them explaining how nervous they were about knowingly blocking traffic. Instead they could have offered some statistics and background into the basis of their experiment or offered a well thought out hypothesis as well as a control test. What they did instead was get on the highway and drive 55mph and did exactly what they expected. Perhaps they should have next done the test going 65 blocking all the lanes and see how traffic backs up, then 75 and 85. My hypothesis on these higher speed tests is that traffic would still back up behind them in a similar way because they were setting the flow of traffic. I do not think they made any strong case for raising the speed limit.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> Casper
09/05/2013 at 12:52 |
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Yep. That's pretty much my point, particularly in regard to revenue abuse. In reference to the overuse of road type general guidelines, there are plenty of roads where, say, a 35 is reasonable due to lots of pitches, blind corners, and the like - but a road of the same type that is dead straight could well be safe to 55, but not signed accordingly because "it's not a US highway" or some similar tosh, maybe even with a snipe to 20 as it passes through a town "for the children".
Any time roads are under-signed so badly and enforcement so lax with draconian law that the prevailing speed of traffic is within 5mph of, by statute, the ability to yank your license , cops have a free license to ruin people's lives for the giggles if they want to, and that's insane. Former 55mph limit on the GA 285 Atlanta beltway, I'm looking at you.
Forgetful
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 12:54 |
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If you're going to start dissecting your state/provincial motoring laws then you might want to, oh, I don't know, read your state/provincial motoring laws? Surely there's a keep right rule wherever it is they're filming this.
It took me 2 minutes to find the BC MVA section called 'Driver on the right'
(a) when overtaking and passing a vehicle proceeding in the same direction,
(b) when the right hand half of the roadway is closed to traffic while under construction or repair,
(c) on a highway designated and marked by signs for one way traffic,
(d) if necessary when operating snow removing equipment, or
That kind of law is supposed to prevent the kind of stupidity they caused... willingly.
You can slow down to move over.
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Alex Murel
> gomerkyle9
09/05/2013 at 12:55 |
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No, they don't. A subject I brought up in class immediately after the clip ended.
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Alex Murel
> Forgetful
09/05/2013 at 13:07 |
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It's in Georgia, and there is a Keep Right law. I had it up on my computer before the clip ended.
PowderHound
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 13:17 |
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I immediately hate those people
grommit09
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
09/05/2013 at 13:25 |
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Let us not forget, Dude, that uh, keeping an aquatic...mammal...in the city limits...that ain't legal either
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grommit09
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 13:26 |
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passing lanes aren't specifically mandated by legislation in most states. Sure, it's polite, but there isn't necessarily a code of law about it.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> grommit09
09/05/2013 at 13:26 |
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As long as your dolphin isn't speeding, he'll be fine.
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grommit09
> Casper
09/05/2013 at 13:30 |
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Wait, what laws were broken?
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Alex Murel
> grommit09
09/05/2013 at 13:32 |
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This took place in Georgia, they have laws about it there.
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Casper
> grommit09
09/05/2013 at 13:35 |
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Impeding or obstructing traffic, failure to yield right of way, failure to keep right, failure to obey traffic regulatory devices, etc, all depends on which state. In western states they are probably breaking about four or five laws, in some eastern states they may only be breaking one to three.. The speed limit isn't the key regulation on the road, in fact it's an auxiliary regulation in deference to other regulations in most states.
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gomerkyle9
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 14:15 |
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When I lived in GA, near Savannah, people always seemed to abide by that law too. Unlike here in NH, where people will ride in the left lane for hours and not get out of the way. They should have done it here, maybe no one would have noticed.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember flashing to pass being a common thing down there. I know I saw a lot of that in Europe. Here in NH, people think you're road raging if you do it.
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gomerkyle9
> grommit09
09/05/2013 at 14:29 |
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Most states have some sort of law saying that slower drivers must stay right.
http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.htm…
Slave2anMG
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 14:34 |
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Two thoughts -
1) not all Priuses/Piuses?
2) a little surprised somebody didn't put a bullet in one of them...
feather-throttle-not-hair
> grommit09
09/05/2013 at 14:45 |
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It definitely is in Washington.
Rory
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 16:14 |
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I hate every single one of them
I hate the editing
I hate their arrogance
I just simply hate everything about this
BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 17:52 |
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Wow... Look at all those lanes, and all of them going the same direction. And then you have about as many lanes going the other way. I don't think I've ever driven on anything with more than two lanes each way. Two much narrower lanes, by the way.
Eric the RC guy
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 18:37 |
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Is it so wrong to wish death on people? There has to be some exceptions to every rule, and this must be one of them. I spent the little time I actually watched the video hoping that just one person would shoot them.
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Alex Murel
> gomerkyle9
09/05/2013 at 21:12 |
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I'm over in Texas, so I can't really speak for Georgia, but over here that would probably get taken as road rage, although most people are pretty good at getting out of the way.
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Alex Murel
> BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
09/05/2013 at 21:14 |
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Where I go to school in Texas we have a square of 4-6 lane roads wrapping around our campus. Its just normal in the States I guess.
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BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
> Alex Murel
09/05/2013 at 21:25 |
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That's awesome... The Brazilian equivalent of those roads looks like this:
Two lanes each way, and pretty narrow too. I believe multi lane highways are more common in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, but in my area, this is what we got.
Oh yeah, and these only connect different towns to each other, there is no commuting on highways, even on the larger cities, so if you live on one side of town and work on the other, you better have a map...